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Kimi K3 vs DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash

How Kimi K3 (Moonshot AI, July 2026) and DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash (DeepSeek, September 2026) are built, drawn on the same November 2026 blueprint. They make different choices on 10 of 27 components. Select a component in either diagram to find it in the table.

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Kimi K3

Moonshot AI, July 2026, 2.8T total, 104B active

Text · code · tool outputText · code · tool outputImages · video · audioImages · video · audioByte-level BPE tokenizer — 128K–262K vocabByte-level BPE tokenizer128K–262K vocabVision / audio encoder — native ViT or encoder-free patchesVision / audio encodernative ViT or encoder-free patchesToken embedding — media embeds spliced in placeToken embeddingmedia embeds spliced in placeEngram n-gram memory — hashed 2–4-gram lookup (V4.1)Engram n-gram memoryhashed 2–4-gram lookup (V4.1)Block Attention Residuals (AttnRes) — Residual & normBlock Attention Residuals (AttnRes)Residual & normRMSNorm — pre-normRMSNormpre-normQK-Clip and normalized latents (no per-head QK-Norm) — Residual & normQK-Clip and normalized latents (no per…Residual & normPartial RoPE / NoPE — rotate 64 dims, or nonePartial RoPE / NoPErotate 64 dims, or noneGated DeltaNet / KDA — linear · ~3 of every 4 layersGated DeltaNet / KDAlinear · ~3 of every 4 layersLatent attention (MLA) — global · GQA in many modelsLatent attention (MLA)global · GQA in many modelsSparse / compressed attn — DSA indexer · CSA / HCASparse / compressed attnDSA indexer · CSA / HCASliding-window attention — local · 128–1,024-token windowSliding-window attentionlocal · 128–1,024-token windowOutput gate + sink — σ(x·W_g) ⊙ o · learnable sinkOutput gate + sinkσ(x·W_g) ⊙ o · learnable sink⊕ residual⊕residualRMSNorm — pre-normRMSNormpre-normSigmoid router with Quantile Balancing — Mixture of expertsSigmoid router with Quantile BalancingMixture of expertsStable LatentMoE routed experts (SiTU-GLU) — Mixture of expertsStable LatentMoE routed experts (SiTU-…Mixture of expertsShared expert — 1–2 · always activeShared expert1–2 · always active⊕ residual⊕residualFinal RMSNormFinal RMSNormLM head — untied · vocab logitsLM headuntied · vocab logitsMTP layer turned EAGLE-3 drafter (not in open weights) — Input & outputMTP layer turned EAGLE-3 drafter (not…Input & outputNext-token logitsNext-token logitsDraft tokensDraft tokensMuon optimizer — Newton–Schulz · QK-Clip · per-headMuon optimizerNewton–Schulz · QK-Clip · per-headFP8 → FP4 training — block-scaled FP8 · MXFP4/NVFP4 QATFP8 → FP4 trainingblock-scaled FP8 · MXFP4/NVFP4 QATLong-context extension — staged 4K → 1M · YaRNLong-context extensionstaged 4K → 1M · YaRNRL with verifiable rewards — GRPO family · async agentic RLRL with verifiable rewardsGRPO family · async agentic RLOn-policy distillation — reverse KL to specialist teachersOn-policy distillationreverse KL to specialist teachersSpeculative decoding — MTP self-drafting · DSparkSpeculative decodingMTP self-drafting · DSparkKV-cache compression — FP4 KV · cross-layer reuse · SSDKV-cache compressionFP4 KV · cross-layer reuse · SSD
AttentionMixture of expertsResidual & normInput & outputTraining & inferenceData flowResidual / skipAddedReplacedNot used

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DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash

DeepSeek, September 2026, 552B + 196B Engram total, 16B (8B in prefill) active

Text · code · tool outputText · code · tool outputImages · video · audioImages · video · audioByte-level BPE tokenizer — 128K–262K vocabByte-level BPE tokenizer128K–262K vocabVision / audio encoder — native ViT or encoder-free patchesVision / audio encodernative ViT or encoder-free patchesToken embedding — media embeds spliced in placeToken embeddingmedia embeds spliced in placeEngram n-gram memory — hashed 2–4-gram lookup (V4.1)Engram n-gram memoryhashed 2–4-gram lookup (V4.1)Residual streams — mHC: n = 4 mixed streamsResidual streamsmHC: n = 4 mixed streamsRMSNorm — pre-normRMSNormpre-normQK-Norm — per-head RMSNorm on q, kQK-Normper-head RMSNorm on q, kPartial RoPE / NoPE — rotate 64 dims, or nonePartial RoPE / NoPErotate 64 dims, or noneGated DeltaNet / KDA — linear · ~3 of every 4 layersGated DeltaNet / KDAlinear · ~3 of every 4 layersCED decoder attention (CSA2 over encoder-projected KV) — AttentionCED decoder attention (CSA2…AttentionCSA2 encoder layers (2× compression, Full + Reuse) — AttentionCSA2 encoder layers (2× comp…AttentionSliding-window attention — local · 128–1,024-token windowSliding-window attentionlocal · 128–1,024-token windowOutput gate + sink — σ(x·W_g) ⊙ o · learnable sinkOutput gate + sinkσ(x·W_g) ⊙ o · learnable sink⊕ residual⊕residualRMSNorm — pre-normRMSNormpre-normMoE router — σ / √softplus · bias balancingMoE routerσ / √softplus · bias balancingRouted experts — top-6–22 of 256–896 · SwiGLURouted expertstop-6–22 of 256–896 · SwiGLUShared expert — 1–2 · always activeShared expert1–2 · always active⊕ residual⊕residualFinal RMSNormFinal RMSNormLM head — untied · vocab logitsLM headuntied · vocab logitsDSpark drafter (trained after pretraining) — Input & outputDSpark drafter (trained after pretrain…Input & outputNext-token logitsNext-token logitsDraft tokensDraft tokensMuon optimizer — Newton–Schulz · QK-Clip · per-headMuon optimizerNewton–Schulz · QK-Clip · per-headFP8 → FP4 training — block-scaled FP8 · MXFP4/NVFP4 QATFP8 → FP4 trainingblock-scaled FP8 · MXFP4/NVFP4 QATLong-context extension — staged 4K → 1M · YaRNLong-context extensionstaged 4K → 1M · YaRNRL with verifiable rewards — GRPO family · async agentic RLRL with verifiable rewardsGRPO family · async agentic RLOn-policy distillation — reverse KL to specialist teachersOn-policy distillationreverse KL to specialist teachersSpeculative decoding — MTP self-drafting · DSparkSpeculative decodingMTP self-drafting · DSparkKV-cache compression — FP4 KV · cross-layer reuse · SSDKV-cache compressionFP4 KV · cross-layer reuse · SSD
AttentionMixture of expertsResidual & normInput & outputTraining & inferenceData flowResidual / skipAddedReplacedNot used

Component by component

Kimi K3 and DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash differ on 10 of 27 components.

Blueprint componentKimi K3DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash

Not used

Same as the blueprintTwo Engram modules (196B parameters, FP8) at layers 1 and 14: n-gram orders 2–4, 8 hash heads per order, 2,048 dims per order, about 16M rows per head table. A sigmoid gate on each mHC stream's normalized dot product with its own key adds a shared value. The short causal conv was dropped. Rows are prefetched from host memory over RDMA.

Block Attention Residuals (AttnRes)Each sublayer reads a softmax-weighted mix of the embedding and earlier 12-layer block summaries, not one running sum.

Same as the blueprintSingle-Pass mHC: n = 4 streams of width 5,120 and 20 Sinkhorn iterations as in V4, but each sublayer reads its input with the mixing coefficients predicted by the previous sublayer. Removing that dependency lets the Mega-mHC kernel read and write the residual once, halving activation traffic, with negligible quality loss reported.

QK-Clip and normalized latents (no per-head QK-Norm)No per-head RMSNorm on q and k: MLA logits are held by K2's weight clipping, KDA's q and k are L2-normalized.

Same as the blueprintRMSNorm on the single 512-dim KV entry, which the report uses to bound every FP4 KV channel to about √512 ≈ 22.6, and on the 1,280-dim query latent. Unlike V4's reference code, V4.1's applies no separate per-head RMS normalization to queries.

Same as the blueprintKDA in 69 of 93 layers (three of every four, starting at layer 1): 96 heads with 128-dim q, k, v and a 128 × 128 state per head; short conv (kernel 4) + SiLU on q, k, v; L2-normalized q, k. K3 bounds the per-channel log-decay as g = −5·σ(eᴬ·z) instead of Kimi Linear's −eᴬ·softplus(z), which keeps 16-token-tile rescaling inside BF16 range so every intra-chunk tile runs as a tensor-core matmul.

Not used

Same as the blueprintGated MLA in 24 layers: every fourth layer (4, 8, …, 92) plus layer 93. 96 heads; queries via a 1,536-dim latent, keys and values from a 512-dim latent plus a 64-dim shared key slot (576 cached values per token per layer); q/k head dim 192, v head dim 128. The attention output is kept in FP32 during training to avoid flash attention's biased rounding.

CED decoder attention (CSA2 over encoder-projected KV)Layers 20–39 take uncompressed global KV from the encoder's last hidden state and re-select with a hierarchical indexer.

Not used

CSA2 encoder layers (2× compression, Full + Reuse)Layers 2–19: KV pooled 2→1 and computed in only 3 of 18 layers; the rest reuse that KV and its top-512 selection.

Not used

Same as the blueprintLayers 0–1 are pure sliding-window layers; every other layer adds the 128 most recent uncompressed tokens (SWA KV kept in FP8) to its sparse selection. SWA KV is never persisted: on a prefix-cache hit it is rebuilt by replaying only the last 128 tokens (SWA Bounded Replay), with negligible measured loss.

Sigmoid router with Quantile BalancingSigmoid scores pick 16 of 896 experts; each expert's selection bias is reset every step from a quantile of routing margins.

Same as the blueprint√softplus scores over 384 experts, top-6, with auxiliary-loss-free bias balancing kept separately for text and image tokens (each bias set updated from its own modality's load, speed 0.001) plus a 0.0001 sequence-level loss. Selected scores are normalized and scaled by 1.5. V4's hash-routed early layers are gone.

Stable LatentMoE routed experts (SiTU-GLU)896 SiTU-GLU experts run in a 3,584-dim latent (half of d); 16 fire per token; an RMSNorm precedes the up-projection.

Same as the blueprint384 SwiGLU experts of intermediate size 2,304, 6 active per token, in all 40 layers, with V4's clamp (linear branch ±10, gate ≤ 10). The release stores them in FP4.

MTP layer turned EAGLE-3 drafter (not in open weights)One pretrained MTP layer is fine-tuned into an EAGLE-3-style draft model that reads features from three depths.

DSpark drafter (trained after pretraining)Three 128-token-window blocks draft 5 tokens per pass from the backbone's last 3 layers; no MTP loss in pretraining.

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